org lain yg bolak balikin... makin banyak membaca tulisan anda saya
makin banyak melihat kesalahan2 berulang2 yg anda buat dan berusaha
tutup2i Zal serta cenderung menghindar dr permasalahan yg sedang
dibahas (Armansyah juga sering bilang spt itu ttg anda bukan?
hehehe)..
saya pribadi kepingin sekali Allah SWT memberikan hidayah dan membuka
mata hati anda sehingga anda dapat melihat kebenaran tanpa tabir
penghalang hati... amin ya rabbal alamin :-)
(mohon ikhwan n ukhti lainnya ikut mendoakan ya... :-))
On 31 Agu, 10:16, "Addin" <addinkes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sy toh hanya menuliskan apa yang kamu tulis kok… kalo kamu merasa tulisan tersebut hanya membolak-balikan kalimat.. ya itu dia hasil tulisanmu..
>
> From: milis_iqra@googlegroups.com [mailto:milis_iqra@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rizal lingga
> Sent: 30 Agustus 2009 23:47
> To: Milis_Iqra@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [Milis_Iqra] Re: Jesus' Tomb in Talpiot
>
> Ciri khas pembantah Muslim adalah suka membalikkan kalimat, dan itulah persisnya yang sdr Addin lakukan disini. Hanya membolak-balik saja, tak lebih. Apa esensi perdebatan tak disentuh sama sekali.
>
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Addin <addinkes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Addin <addinkes...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Milis_Iqra] Re: Jesus' Tomb in Talpiot
> To: Milis_Iqra@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 1:00 PM
>
> Kamu menuduh muslim membantah hanya untuk mempertahankan kebenaran Alquran, kamu sendiri gimana..??
>
> Kamu sendiri juga membantah Alquran untuk mempertahankan Alkitab yang hanya ditulis oleh saksi mata(katanya), ditulisnya pun tidak langsung.. (ingatan dan penglihatan masing-masing orang punya keterbatasan tersendiri)
>
> Kamu juga harus mengatakan bahwa penulis Alkitablah yang pasti benar, tidak ada pilihan lain, karena kamu tidak mempercayai Firman Allah yang benar, kamu hanya mempercayai Kitab yang ditulis oleh orang yang katanya menyaksikan, sekalipun Kitab kamu itu sudah berulang kali direvisi (apakah dibenarkan jika Kitab yang berisi Firman Allah dirubah-rubah??) tapi ini tidak penting bagi kalian, apa yang tertulis dalam Alkitab sudah cukup dan hanya itu yang benar.
>
> Dan tidak baik mengajak orang untuk obyektif selama kamu sendiri tidak….
>
> From: Milis_Iqra@googlegroups.com [mailto:Milis_Iqra@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rizal lingga
> Sent: 24 Juli 2009 15:26
> To: Milis_Iqra@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [Milis_Iqra] Jesus' Tomb in Talpiot
>
> Buat kalian Muslim, yang penting adalah membantah dan menyangsikan kesaksian dari para penulis Alkitab bahwa Yesus itu ditangkap, disalibkan dan mati, kemudian dikuburkan, dan bangkit dari maut pada hari ke tiga.
> Bantahan itu merupakan keharusan untuk mempertahankan kebenaran Alquran. Karena bagi kalian Alquran harus benar sekalipun tanpa saksi mata dan ditulis lebih dari 600 tahun setelah lahirnya agama Kristen, dibandingkan dengan Alkitab yang ditulis oleh beberapa saksi mata yang pernah melihat dan bertemu langsung dengan Yesus sendiri, baik hidup maupun ketika mati.
> Kalian harus mengatakan alquran yang benar. Tak ada pilihan lain. Sekalipun bantahan kalian tak punya dukungan ilmiah, tidak penting bagi kalian. Apa yang dikatakan alquran sudah cukup dan hanya itu yang benar.
>
> Nah, silahkan baca artikel ini, jika masih mau obyektif.
>
> The Jesus Family Tomb:
>
> Fact or Fiction?
>
> Jesus' Bones Discovered?
>
> Has the tomb of Jesus Christ been discovered in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot?
>
> In a 2007 Discovery Channel TV documentary, producer James Cameron (The Titanic) and Jewish director, Simcha Jacobovici, attempted to prove that Jesus' burial cave and bones were discovered near Jerusalem. Cameron and Jacobovici further cited evidence that Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdalene.
>
> If Jesus Christ's tomb has really been discovered, then all of Christian history has been based upon a false claim---that Jesus physically rose from the dead, was seen alive by over 500 followers at once, spent 40 days teaching his disciples, and then ascended into heaven. But before we get caught up in another Da Vinci type conspiracy, let's look at the facts behind Cameron's claims.
>
> The Facts Claimed:
>
> 1. In 1980 ten limestone bone boxes (ossuaries) dated to the first century, were discovered in an excavated tomb in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiot.
>
> 2. Six inscriptions were discovered with names similar to or the same as some of Jesus Christ's family and disciples:
>
> · Jesua, son of Joseph,
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> · Mary
>
> · Mariamene e Mara
>
> · Mathew
>
> · Jofa
>
> · Judah, son of Jesua.
>
> 3. Cameron attempts to prove that Mariamene e Mara is Mary of Magdalene, and that she and Jesus had a son named "Judah son of Jesua".
>
> 4. DNA analysis identifies that tissues from the ossuaries of Jesua and Mariamene e Mara were not related, raising the possibility they may have been married and had a child.
>
> Checking the Evidence
>
> So, what are the odds that this is Jesus' tomb? According to Cameron and Jacobovici, the statistical improbability of these names belonging to another family than that of Jesus Christ is 600 to 1. However, scholars challenge many of the assumptions in their interpretation of the facts. Let's look:
>
> 1. It is true that these ossuaries were discovered in an ancient tomb. But thousands of similar tombs have been discovered in Jerusalem. And ossuaries were often used for the bones of more than one individual. In fact, according to Dr. Craig Evans, PhD, author of Jesus and the Ossuaries, the tomb carried the bones of about 35 different individuals, and about half were from these ossuaries. Evans also notes that there was considerable contamination of the site.
>
> 2. Are Cameron and Jacobovici correct about the names they assert are on the ossuaries? Not according to many experts. Some were written in Aramaic, others in Hebrew, and another in Greek. This indicates they were not buried in a similar time period. It is not even clear that "Jesus" is named on any of the ossuaries. Dr. Evans's personal examination of the ossuary was inconclusive. Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem, is also unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun." Ancient Semitic script is notoriously difficult to decipher.
>
> Additionally, it should be noted that the names of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were extremely common in the first century. About 25% of the women in Jesus' day were named Mary. Joseph was also a common name. And about one in ten had the name, "Jesua". Dr. Evans indicates that approximately 100 tombs have been discovered in Jerusalem with the name "Jesus" and 200 with the name "Joseph." The name "Mary" is on far more.
>
> "Each name with the exception of Mariamene seemed common to their period, and it was only in 1996 that the BBC made a film suggesting that, given the combination, it might be that family. The idea was eventually discounted, however, because, as New Testament scholar Richard Bauckham asserted 'the names with Biblical resonance are so common that even when you run the probabilities on the group, the odds of it being the famous Jesus' family are "very low."
>
> 3. The statistical support for the entire "Jesus tomb" theory rises or falls on the question of Mary Magdalene. So did the name Mariamene e Mara mean Mary Magdalene, as Cameron and Jacobovici attempt to prove? Not according to most experts. Their interpretation is simply not supported by evidence. Bauckham notes, "The first use of 'Mariamene' for Magdalene dates to a scholar who was born in 185, suggesting that Magdalene wouldn't have been called that at her death. "
>
> So, even though Cameron and Jacobovici employed a statistician, Andrey Feuerverger, to support their case, his numbers were based upon assumptions disputed by the majority of scholars. In fact, Feuerverger himself admits that the assumptions were given to him by Jacobovici, and that the single biggest factor in his 600 to 1 odds was the identity of Mariamene e Mara being Mary of Magdalene. Feuerverger defends his role in an interview with Scientific American, "I did permit the number one in 600 to be used in the film—I'm prepared to stand behind that but on the understanding that these numbers were calculated based on assumptions that I was asked to use."
>
> Yet Dr. Randy Ingermanson's statistical analysis of the probability indicates that there is <http://www.ingermanson.com/jesus/art/stats.php> less than one chance in 10,000 that this was the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> 4. But what about the DNA tests? Doesn't that prove Jesus was in the tomb? Let's look closer at what the DNA test measured. It took residue (there were no bones to examine) from the ossuaries Jacobovici identified as belonging to both Jesua and Mariamene, and used mitochondrial DNA testing to see if they were related. The results proved to be negative, indicating to him that the two individuals were not related maternally. He thus assumes the two were married. But Bauckham isn't impressed. He writes, "If 'Jesus' and 'Mariamene' weren't related matrilineally, why jump to the conclusion that they were husband and wife, rather than being related through their fathers? "
>
> It is the fact that these particular names have been discovered in the same tomb that has fueled speculation that it really could be Jesus' tomb. But many scholars believe Cameron and Jacobovici have skewed the evidence to build a case that just isn't there. Additionally, there are many contradictory questions that need to be answered before one jumps to a conclusion that overturns centuries of historical scholarship.
>
> If It Really Was Jesus' Tomb–
>
> 1. Why don't Cameron and Jacobovici cite scholars who disagree with their conclusions? For example, in 1996, when the British Broadcasting Corp. aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. In fact, the vast majority of archaeologists dispute their claim.
>
> 2. Since the custom was to bury the dead in their home town, why would Mary and Joseph's family tomb be in Jerusalem instead of Nazareth? Middle East researcher and biblical anthropologist Joe Zias states, "It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, he was known as Jesus of Nazareth, not Jesus of Jerusalem, and if the family was wealthy enough to afford a tomb, which they probably weren't,...
>
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